Two Camps: Answer To A readers E-mail
There is this big war going on in several Christian camps about the "prophetic movement" and the "tickle my ears" words and that in the old testament the prophets didn't give these types of word -- they were more of a "repent" word... so they say the so called prophets of now just are not.
How then are we to interpret this scripture?
"Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy....everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort." 1 Cor 14:1-3
I see two camps --- One which says "God is mad and judgment is to come and the other that says "God will bless America" - clearly in the old testament we see a God who gets angry and judges --- so how do we get this "new, softer God now"? Some say that we are now under grace - would that make a new softer God?
Edited Answer to CF,
You have hit an important point in the prophetic movement.
Paul in the letter you quote from is exhorting believers how to live. Prophecy for the true house of God (those that are truly Christ’s and are really obeying his word) are to be encouraging and edifying. While Jesus promises us all persecution, the wrath of God and many of the evils of the world will not touch us who are truly obeying God.
There really is no difference between the prophets of the Old and New Testaments. When the people sinned and did evil, God sent prophets to warn. Listen CF, God is mad, every soul that sins will die. His wrath abides (remains upon) on the children of disobedience. God grace is giving man space to repent, believe in Christ and obey his commandments.
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: - Rom 5:19
Think about what disobedience means; those who are not DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. What is that? REPENT!!!
The verse you quoted, could be interpreted to mean no prophet is to prophecy bad things.
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: (Isa 30:10)
If that is the correct interpretation (of 1Cor14 1-3), then Jesus is a false prophet because he surely prophesied a lot of bad things, so did John in the Apocalypse. Among the brethren (true Christians) it should not be necessary to constantly warn of sin. If sin and evil are so prevalent in an assembly of believers then there is a deeper problem amongst the assembly. Now a false prophet loves to be 'a once verse wonder' he quotes one verse at the exclusion of all the others to try to say 'how dare you say we are in sin? Prophet's are only to speak smooth things, sweet candy, ice cream and chocolate...'
The biggest problem, and I will say it, the false doctrine of the 'happy happy happy' so-called 'prophetic' movement is that there is no need for obedience and no need for holiness. Yet we are commanded to be holy for God is Holy. Judgment on a sinful world is outlined in great detail in the New Testament in the book of Revelation. Is John a false prophet? There is no more horrifying thing that those that he PROPHESIED in that book. Yes there is much encouragement as well as things to shout for joy about, that is; to the saints who obey God and HEED the prophecy of book of Revelation.
I think I answered your question on grace before.
Heed this very carefully, Holiness is not an option, living in sin and winking at it is not ever acceptable to God. Those that subtlety teach that somehow we can do evil, praise those that do evil support and vote for it are frankly deceived and working for the devil, weather they know it or not.
No one who really loves Jesus would willingly continue in something that sent Jesus to the cross. Namely sin. Nor would they soft peddle it and make excuses for it. A true believer will shun every evil work, association and thing. A deceived one will continue on in evil as though nothing is wrong.
Sinners (willful unrepentant, continuous sinners) will get the wrath of God, weather they claim to be Christians or not.
This matter goes to the heart of what is happening in the Church. There is a separation going on. Those that soft peddle the whole gospel and do not demand full repentance and those that say ‘just mumble a few words, get baptized you will go to heaven and you can never get kicked out not matter what you do.’
That is a lie of the devil.
America is a nation that is in horrible unrepentant and repetitive sin. War, death concentration camps, sodomy, drug abuse, corruption, thefts abuse of the poor and indigent are no longer things that can be dismissed. These are very real problems and America not only refuses to address them but in most instances rebukes those that bring these evils to light. Just like the prophets of old.
“speak unto us smooth things”
CF, God is love and loves his children. Those that really love Christ will be chastened and rebuked by Jesus in love to get them to repent. Those who go without the chastisement are bastards and are no longer sons.
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. (Heb 12:8)
Read the harder books (meat) in the New Testament the ones that the false prophets ignore, the book of Hebrews and the book of James and Jude as well and you will see that Sin is not a joke and neither is false doctrine and any Christian who thinks that they are and that God will not send prophets and others to warn of it is not only wrong but probably has not known Christ and is not known of him though he may think he does.
Christians in support of pure unadulterated evil
These is another spirit masquerading as Jesus and the majority of Christians in America have fallen for it. That is why the Corporate Church is all messed up, putting their stamp of approval on a man who refuses to renounce his devilish association with one of the most evil organizations in the world, the folks who brought us Adolph Hitler; Brotherhood Of Death aka., The Order Of The Skull and Bones.
“Between a cult of Satanic devil-worshippers and a group of Christians, which of the two would condone an act of mass murder, torture, rape, destruction of homes, wanton vandalism and acts of terrorism? The former, or the latter?” - Pravda
I don't like to quote secular writers when dealing with purely Christan themes, but the authors question goes to the heart of what is happening in American Christianity. American Corporate (501c3) Christianity is false, false, false. It is rotten to the core and blessed is that man who sees it and flees it!
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.(1Jo 2:1-5)
Judgment is not according to our faith but according to our WORKS
And, behold, I
come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according
as his work shall be.
And then will I
profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work
The lie that has so messed up the American Church who love their places at presidential balls and inaugurals, who love the money and fame and the religion business that makes them rich is this: Holiness and repentance are not emphasized and are soft-peddled if they are taught at all.
This is why you have gays in positions of leadership in some denominations. It is always a phony ‘love, love love’ teaching. Now if it was God's love they were really preaching, they would love God by OBEYING HIS COMMANDMENTS.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. - (Joh 14:21-22)
Now the God of
peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great
shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in
you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to
whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.
How can a people continue on the road to Sodom and Gomorrah, the last pit-stop on the way to hell? Simple, keep on sinning and tell others that sin is not an important issue. Any person who preaches and accepts that message, I can guarantee you, that person will lose his eternal soul.
For I testify
unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the
plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away
from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his
part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from]
the things which are written in this book.
Hmmm. That happy movement must view such a warning as a false prophecy because there is something bad in it. That naughty prophet John! He won't get the American Christian Award this year!
For conclusion, let me boil it down to this. A false prophet does not want you to be holy. He does not want you to keep from sin. He wants to encourage you IN your sin so that you will remain in it. If you believe them, then he has your eternal soul, be he Pastor, Deacon, Prophet, Priest, Preacher or Teacher. If that is his doctrine he is a servant of the devil.
How do you think God will deal with those who pervert his message?
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:6-9)
End Of answer to CF
This is not an insignificant issue and goes to the very heart of what is wrong with the American Church, which supports the Antichrist system that is waging war against the world to bring it under its own dominion.
Dominionism is one of the key problems in American Christianity, It is a system of belief the thinks that the Church must take dominion over the earth. It does not accept what Jesus said about his coming, nor does it accept that Jesus is coming to judge the world of Sin. It thinks that they must use earthly political means to set up a Christian Kingdom on earth. American Christianity has added new themes to this doctrinal perversion.
I received an interesting e-mail from some one on the same day that I answered CF's mail. It said in essence:
Bush is a solid Christian man.
America is going to be a great nation again.
Each statement listed above was quoted directly from the e-mail I received. Now this was written by a pastors wife! Notice where her hope is; it is in Bush and America. She did not mention Jesus' return, nor does she think Bush's satanic connections relevant! This simple observation goes to the heart of what is wrong with the religious-right in America. They are trying to take over the world, they are being used by ambitious men to accomplish the devil's aims, because the devil too, wants to bring the world together into a singular system. Is it not strange that the last days system of Antichrist uses religion (in the form of the false prophet) to accomplish his aims? What time is it dear reader!!! What time is it indeed!
The true Christians hope is in the return of Jesus Christ
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The hope of Satan's children has always been glory and power on this earth and in this life. (See Matt 4:1-11). The devil is tempting America's Christians with the kingdoms of this earth just like he tempted Jesus. Yet Christ's Kingdom is not of this earth, not of this world. This is where the big disconnect comes from; there are two hopes and two kingdoms. The American Christian by and large has chosen (through deceit) to help Satan build his Kingdom. Even the world is beginning to see it. Even those who make no Christian profession are beginning to see it. Even the depraved world can see the difference between simple good and evil.
Why can't the American Church?
can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones
you want to concentrate on.”
- George W. Bush – President Of the United States
In Christ Jesus,